On the other hand, Meermins wont last you as long as Carminas will. 8.5D may have worked with thinner socks. Its a good time to be a consumer in this area.. Perhaps more time and break in on the stiff leather sole would make it work. E.g. Rancourt 113 loafer: men's size 6D is pretty good Meermin Hiro derby: men's UK 4.5 wearable but the heel is . A very nice pair of black cap toes on the Eton last but far to hard to break in. "But at the same time, I do think you get better value now for a 200 shoe than you did 10 years ago, despite inflation, because theres so much more competition. Vass (via Ascot) here. regards judging quality by calf not suede? From a comfort perspective these are unrivaled for the price, similar to how I have heard Baudoin & Lange described. Rancourt 115 9D: Great fit. So if there is a middle man, its often the brand. Joseph Cheaney are undoubtedly the thinking flaneurs cordonnier. Try Saphir Shoe-Eze, it actually works. So for example, they now only curve the waist line on the inside of their shoe, and not the outside. Very useful for us who buy shoes in this price range. It's been a while, but I didn't have any complaints after break in. Rancourt 800 9D: Great fit. You basically double your costs from stock carry. Sure David. Worn with normal dress socks. I have this problem as well. The latter is more obvious on the outside of a shoe, and you would certainly get less with Alden for example. and the results for the money where quite good.at a distance, you could mistake them for Berluti, at 1/4 the price. Thank you for this listing Simon. Maybe something in the weight of the shoes or its balance, but nothing apparent in construction. Significantly roomier fit than the 65 last so, even though they don't fit my foot shape well, they're reasonably comfortable. I realise this may seem like a simple choice, and maybe thats exactly what youll say, but Im only 25 years old and money is definitely a consideration. I still recall trying them for the first time after having worn Carmina for some years and noticed the difference instantly. Ill be reviewing them separately, as theyre more similar to other shoes weve covered. Still tapered in in waist and heel for a comfortable lock in, but with more room in the toe box and at the ball. My experience with them has been very similar to yours, Felix. The quality of the leather on my particular pair isnt as good as the Loake 1880 (or any of the other brands) but overall these are a well constructed pair of shoes. Boot socks. If you are in the market for a pair of elegant footwear, Id recommend for you duly consider buying the Carmina shoes. Allen Edmonds Sizing to Carmina & Meermin Those that have Allen Edmonds and carmina or meermins, what size do you wear in AE compared to the others? Meermin Hiro: 10D (9UK), I can walk miles in these in thin/medium socks but would strongly prefer more toe room. Barefoot, thick socks, whatever. The Yanko felt very similar to the TLB if a bit softer overall (this makes sense as the founder of TLB used to be with Yanko). This separates footwear from most of fashion and it feels good to support the companies that work towards this. Moderate arch. Because the level is higher, and also because I wasnt that impressed with Myrqvist either, personally. Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. I think calling things cost-effective when you just mean cheaper would be a needless euphemism. I definitely enjoy the articles with the highest quality makes but its nice to have a change of pace as well, especially if its going to help me make a decision on something Im likely to buy. Based on reviews, Im hopeful. How to measure your feet. So, in summary, if you look at the price, most of Carmina's shoes cost 329 or 395 or $475, and for that amount of money, the range of last you get is quite good. Loake Bullet last (F-fit): 7Uk fits but a bit tight around toes. And they are a Canadian brand not American. Wapmaxi Time To Change 2015Meermin & Carmina Boot Sizing and Review Hey all, been a bit since I've posted but I stopped by both Meermin and Carmina in NYC the other day and thought I'd share my opinions for guys looking at either or both for fall boot wearing. It is a smidge shorter than 2030, but that's due to the lack of taper. The Santos shoes that I own are comparable in quality to my Carmina, Cheaney and C&J mainline shoes. The leather used to make Carmina shoes is better than the leather materials used to make Meermin shoes. Very comfortable, heel is a smidge roomy, but overall an extremely comfortable last. Now fits comfortably after a substantial break in. I'll try to be fairly comprehensive 9US is too generous, * **Red Wing 8 last (iron ranger)** 8.5D a bit snug on the sides of the mid foot, might've gotten away with 8.5E, * **Rider Boot 42 last** 9D comfortable fit, but lowish instep at the top makes it hard to put them on without shoehorn, * **RM Williams Comfort Craftsman** 8G with a little heel slip, * **TLB Mallorca Alan** 8F UK generous without being overly roomy. p.s. But if the heel is good to start with, it doesnt matter so much if it can flex and adapt. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. Im trying to decide between the following two options: 1) Myrqvist Molle Loafers @ 151 per pair, 2) Trickers Elton Loafers @ 225 per pair (on sale). Carmina shoes are made with classy Shell Cordovan Leather that is really elegant and unique. Meermin Ron 8E UK: Snug in every direction and noticeably narrow, but wearable with no socks. I guess the issue is that I've not worn an English shoe before. No need to own property, employ shop staff etc etc. C&J do not run their own shops. Everyone in London should visit John and ask for his advice on shoes. Theyre not as refined as the other Asian brands, but stand out for making Goodyear in the old-school way, stitching directly to the insole. So, rather than the gemming method that most modern Goodyear shoes have, where a canvas ribbing is used instead. 4. No one see this though, its only for yourself. At Styleforum, youll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis. I just purchased them and they are in transit from Sweden. Last month, Swedish shoe brand Myrqvist (above) sent me a pair of their loafers to try. This was several years ago, so my recollection isnt as detailed. The other thing about Carmina is they have increased prices and reduced quality in some areas in recent years. Seeing an article like this is refreshing, its nice to see PS being more inclusive by discussing products which are more budget friendly. I own several of the shoes mentioned in this article (Meermin, Allen Edmonds, Loake 1880, Carmina) and if theres one thing I learned, it is that: you cant buy Gold for the price of Copper. This is more than just the upper, but depending on the build, the leather insole will mold and compress to the foot. Thanks for the informative post. Anyone that gets these Carmina shoes for their wardrobe would be getting some of the best style statements of their lives. Frankly, I wouldnt wear anything else. 1757 last 10D: Great roomy fit as I recall from trying in a store over a year ago. My personal thoughts are as follows: Loake As the article suggests, the Loake 1880 is the bare minimum you should go for. Off sale they come in at about 380 per pair (sale price 225) and they have a great re-furb service where for 80, theyll send them back to you as good as new. Check the Noble Shoe eshop for several decent ones. Still fine for the price point, as this piece suggests, but the quality control is miserable. Thats generally why so many people, or at least readers, like shoes from these other brands. Did not break in enough to be able to wear even thin socks. Meermin Hiro 8.5E UK: Good fit overall, snug around the ball without being tight and toes are less cramped than I expected with how the last looks. Aha, I see. 1. With TLB, you could choose a more versatile dark-brown calf, or perhaps brown suede but with leather soles. Snug toe box, foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes significant bowing. Second is a Loake 1880 snuff suede apron derby boot. On the otherhand Viberg Halketts and 145s fit a bit smaller in the same last. Many thanks for your prompt response most helpful. Here there the number of brands increases, particularly with start-ups. I'm not sure if this last has a particular name. While I like the imperial range, I disagree that Cheaney are at a similar level to C&J; even to my untrained eye the upper leather doesnt seem comparable (scuffs more easily) and is thinner. both pairs have a dainite (or dainite-type, in Meermin's case) sole the Meermins have blind eyelets, whereas the Carminas have a brass eyelet that look to match the speedhook finish the heel on the Carminas is quite a bit longer than Meermin's Would be interesting to hear. The only major disadvantage compared to Goodyear is that the stitches come through on the inside of the shoe. In contrast, Ive always found EGs service excellent but my interactions (outside of lockdown) are entirely based on the Jermyn Street store and I cant say Ive asked for anything unusual. Certainly compared to other parts of the shoe. My next purchase would probably be one from G&Gs classic collection, but I can hardly justify buying another shoe when I have 2 brand new pairs (another Meermin and Trickers) which remain unworn due to quarantine. The quality of the leather and overall construction is superb. Simon wrote that it is expensive to add an extra width across all shoes. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 He replied straight-faced: No, we only use the best full-grain calf for our shoes. Pinky toe pinches a touch, * **Meermin Bob** 8UK a hint loose at the heel, but snug at the forefoot, * **Meermin Elton** 8UK very snug to start, much more comfy now, * **Meermin Olfe** 8.5UK could've probably gone down to 8UK but is still pretty comfortable, surprisingly not too slippy. I think either would be fine. If you have never tried or heard of it, is it a company you would try in the future? I would agree that some change has happened since Stollenwerk sold the company to an investment fund, they seem to have gone into the greed and certainly for some cost cutting somewhere to make up for the handicap of making in the US. Its the same width as the 8.5E, but just a smidge longer and is perfect. Thin socks preferred due to somewhat narrow toe box. In the long run you will always regret buying a pair that ticks all the boxes, but doesnt have a good fit. But it fits pretty good and I'd happily buy another pair of 1035. D. C. D. Medium. The quality Crockett & Jones is now significantly better than Trickers, both sole and uppers. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. - 8 (very voluminous, though) Carmina- Robert- 8 Carmina- Rain- 8 Carmina- Forest- 8 Carmina- Soller-8 . Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. Ive found one Cheaney last with a wide toe box that works for me by sizing down so that the heel fits but very little success with other makers. or to put it another more childish way, you started it! Im happy to pay a bit more for that consistency and service. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mediocre fit, a little snugger than I'd like across the top of the foot, but a good fit everywhere else. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'footslide_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_6',108,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-medrectangle-4-0');The top-grade Shell Cordovan Leather material used to make Carmina shoes is surely one of the best in the world for dress shoes. Meermin shoes are cool and stylish as well, but, they are however not as stylish and cool as the Carmina shoes that are distributed in this present moment. Among the many pairs I tried a pair of color 8 CXL beefrolls were the best fitting. Carmina: one step down from C&J but higher quality than the others on the list. Lets be honest here, what can you realistically expect from a 250 pair of leather shoes made in Europe, when a pair of sneakers produced under questrionable conditions in some third world country already cost as much if not more? An apron toe penny loafer from Orbans last summer that were on clearance for 60 euros. I have owned shoes from most of the English brands, and 5-10 Spanish brands and 5-10 Italian brands, and its a quite clear difference (but again, there are exceptions in both directions. Cheaper shoes will often have small mistakes, such as little splits in the sole or heel stack. You have aimed at a balance of smart casual, RTW / MTM / bespoke really useful and affordable; you have catered for all. So on the making you get all closed channels, you get all leatherboard or even leather heel stiffeners, you get a rounded side on the heel on both inside and outside, a slightly bevelled waist etc. Grant Stone Oliver 9D: Great fit. The shoe comes on Meermin's Ama last, which is of a classic and elegant shape. Apart from the differences in material qualities, a major difference between Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes is the price tags that these shoes are sold and distributed for. Interested to hear your thoughts if one abstracts from the usual price mark-up due to branding etc. Leo 9E/9.5D: Bad fit. Vass, TLB Artista, even Meccariello. If one do good research ahead of placing an order (not just go by brand names and heritage, doesnt work anymore in the bespoke shoe world), choose a brand that suits ones style and preferences for shoes, the chance youll get your best shoes ever are very high. However about 5 years ago they reached some export deals with local retailers here in Canada and is sold here for over 500, where I used to get them shipped from England for 2-300. Meermin offers loafers in simple colours of black, brown, copper, tan, and navy. You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. From time to time you find great deals for +/- USD 600. The instep is high, but massive on the service boot pattern. Best fitting shoe I own, after a couple wears I can sport these for 20 miles with no hotspots. Steve. Jesper's information was based on information by two Carmina retailers. When I complained I was told The second pair is always better ! They are slightly cheaper than the C&J handgrade line, though I am not sure what drives the difference. Particularly I struggle with the heel which I find very wide with most English makers. Carmina shoes have soles that are durable and very comfortable in their design, due to the Goodyear Welt construction used to hold them in place. The shoes might look good on the feet, but if you pick them up and look closer, youll notice little errors. They initially repaired free of charge and when the heels came loose again they replaced for a shoe from their 1880 range. Initially I tried 9E because many people recommend 1/2 size down and 1 width up for this last. I would also recommend Thomas George Collection (based in Melbourne) and Crownhill Shoes (Spain), two quality brands who sit at the same price range of Morjas/Velasca and they do great bang for the bucket GW Shoes. Should fit most people TTS. But its a not a secret that English brands, in general (this for example does not go for the premium brands) use less good leather soles than Spanish and Italian makers of welted shoes, in general. Update: had to take the leather insert out, just couldn't deal with how shallow the toe box is. Herringshoes.com). Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. I have to say from personal experience I found Berwick to be the most incredible value. Bored of counting likes on social networks? The stitching on the soles is also less dense, though the soles do have some nice detailing like shaped waists and channeled soles, as you mentioned. So I have never needed to seek an alternative, and have been fortunate never to need to spend more than 500 on a pair of shoes. Suede. A pair of EG Chelseas bought today are just as good as a pair bought ten years ago as will be a pair bought in ten years time. Thanks, Simon, Ive read those already. Im not sure what you have to back up that this wouldnt be the case? Additional notes about feet:I was measured as 10.5D by an Allen Edmonds store associate several years ago. Yes literally hard as rock but very nice looking in their box.. Agree Alan, buyer beware that they are extremely hard to break in. These insoles are advanced comfort systems that are meant to keep your feet comfy and cozy all day. US size 8 at the best online prices at eBay! Ive tried Lobb, G&G and EG and have notice better uppers but not an increase in comfort compared to C&J handgrade that to me, are the sweet spot of the English shoe made in Northampton at a sensibly lower prices than the top makers. The former you appreciate in the shoes over time. These shoes have seen some heavy use and have been worn at least twice as much as the previous pair. I think shoegazing is largely irrelevant since the information it provides can be gathered more reliably elsewhere. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5E: hoping these fix the sizing issues.**. Meermins have also been fine, especially for suede loafers. They've seen a lot of rain, snow, slush and worst of all, salt. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. Yes they do take a while to break in, but once they were, they ended up being just as comfortable as all my other GYW shoes. At Styleforum, youll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis. Really good customer service is important to me and is one of the things that keeps me going back. A little little uncomfortable initially, but that's just due to the heel counter. By the way, the customer service at Skolyx is excellent. Every now and then I got excited by a nice design at a lower price point only to be disappointed by quality issues. They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. I now have 3 different pairs on that Cheaney last. Sometimes they run big and sometimes they run small. I dont cover the other brands on this list normally either. In fact, it is the favourite last for the Albaladejo family. Or about 9.5D right foot and 9.4D left foot. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. I havent covered Allen Edmonds in the past both because I havent had much experience of them, and because they were below the quality level we normally cover on PS hence their inclusion in this article, which was intended to round-up lots of cheaper makers. And they are one of the very few brands offering something for the ladies. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Footslide.com is a full-time participant of the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, 2023 Footslide.com | All Rights Reserved. I loved the MTO experience there. I think that chukka looks nice. Put simply, if you pay 250 for a shoe you cannot get 500 quality. Thursday Vanguard 9.5D: Toe box is a bit tapered for my liking, but overall fit is so-so. second chance thread), Carmina Green Shell Cordovan Frankenstitch Captoe Jumper Boot 10.5eee(uk) detroit last, RM Williams Comfort Craftsman or Carmina (Rain Last) Chelsea, *SOLD* Carmina Bourbon Shell Cordovan NST boot 8UK Forest last, Alden Color 4 Shell Cordovan Chukkas - Barrie last size 10 D, Alden x Leffot Saddle Shoe - Unglazed Cigar Shell Cordovan and Snuff Suede - 8D Barrie Last. Many thanks, Topics include a wide range of brands from Crockett & Jones to Guidi. Also Barkers at the 1880 price point are made in the UK. 9.5D heel to toe. However, a really bright or unsual patina has never really been my style, and is becoming even less so. I suppose they get away with it because the overwhelming majority of their customers arent that knowledgeable about shoes or leather quality. Arch support was a bit painful the first wear but feels great after a few hours. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. Its a smidge roomy, but I don't believe going an extra half down would have worked and I prefer boots to be worn with boot socks. Any feedback from you on this brand. Seemed comfortable at first but the more I wore it, the more I realized it just doesn't work for me. Finally somebody else who has experienced Meermin shoes as very hard to break in. Interesting times and personal style journey. I have a pair of Berwick chukkas and theyre pretty decent but they also dont feel as good to wear as the AEs (personally I wish Id spent more money on a higher quality make, but the store was out of C&J chukkas at the time). G&G also have exceptional service in the store. I have dainite soled storm welted trickers penny loafers and also commando soled stows, and I cant see myself wearing them much with anything aside from jeans or super casual chinos/corduroys. They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. But Carmina say they dont use them even though Jesper was told they do. The two brands are roughly the same level of make, with the price difference largely coming down to costs of labour in the UK and Spain. Something to keep in mind. HOK 9: Acceptable fit. Simon's books and product collaborations are available to buy through the Permanent Style shop. Jack, I havent looked at Weston in quite a while Im afraid Jack, but from what I remember they are around that kind of level, yes. 6.5D Carmina: 5.5: UK: Forest, Robert - 5.5UK: 6.5D Carmina Forest: 5.5: UK: 5.5UK with a smidge of heel slip: I purchased a pair of chocolate brown suede chukkas from AFPOS a number of years ago, and the suede is a beautiful colour and has maintained its nap really well. The latter will in general be more durable, since its thicker and consists of all the parts of the leather. Similar articles on suits, jackets, shirts etc are desperately needed. I agree that they might be a touch conservative (although they do now have more stylised lasts compared to a few years back), and that youre less likely to get more interesting leathers like museum calf or patinated. Many thanks Simon as usual for the very informative article. I have gone through years of posts comments where US readers often praised the company and you alleged unawareness about it, sometimes citing Alden as the only US quality shoemaker known to you. Cobbler Union (above) is a newer brand, and more similar to TLB or Carmina, while Spier & MacKay is a clothing brand with a line of shoes at 220 which is decent for the price. Allen Edmonds 65: 10.5D - Okay fit. I just read on an Spanish forum that Meermin and Carmina used to buy together batches of leather from the same place. Their online interface is very easy to use, and being able to make these selection is so much better than being constrained to the ready-made options a manufacturer has selected. Thanks for the personal comment it is very helpful and interesting, Any thoughts about the German brand Hammerstein? * **Vass P2** EU41.5 comfortable fit but too much toe volume and instep. For more comparison, check these pairs out:CARMINA SHOESMEERMIN SHOES. Both these shoes are true to size, but Carminas are however more fitting and properly sized than the Meermin shoes. Its a standard Goodyear shoe, with no fuss. Bought before I understood my size. Measured as 9.5 D. Will get more detailed measurements after the pandemic, along with a military last fitting. In terms of quality, yes Trickers will be better and worth the money I think. The manager gave me a significant discount for resoling them but, even after three decades as a loyal customer, I would be reluctant to buy from them again. 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