1st Recon April 12, 1997. I do not concur with this figure. didn't know who they were fighting and dying for. all the best from life. MarDivPhoto on Oct 9, 2009 refers to the American War Museum website, and mike_brewer on Oct 12, 2009 refers to the Vietnam War Museum, both as the source of the number 850,000 living Vietnam veterans. best regards. You can reach me at [email protected]. Alcohol induced psychosis and death from toxicity is not suicide, or is it? The official VA figures for surviving vets of the Viet Nam era show 81% to still be around; the percentage for those who served in Viet Nam is slightly lower, due first to the fact that 58,000 died there. It was after returning to the U.S. and while en route to the hospital that Wowwk first encountered hostility as a veteran. when i arrived at my unit, 2/11th acr, how battery, a scruffy looking latino guy who happened to be back in the rear, convinced me, i needed to volunteer to go out to e-troop, in his stead, (hed already been out there 6 mo. As a combat veteran of Marine Corps having served in Vietnam, I have always known that we seem to have a mortality clock that ticks a bit faster than then that of the standard for insurance actuaries. sent back to the 4/18 artillery, the same unit I left in Germany. Born: 04/07/1937. In my military career, I personaly wrote CIB support letters for over 20 non-11B soldiers whom I knew had spent more than 180 days in a forward deployed posture and were under combat conditions, 6 receiving purple hearts none received the CIB. We took care of the Big Red 1 and the 173rd Sky soliders Long Bein . It may precede a counter-appeal. You posted this on September 2nd. Went looking for a new job,on foot walking many miles every day,but when they foung out that i was a vietnam veteran they would not hire me.Some would ask if I was a Drug addict 0r killed people etc. "None of them have even heard of it before. Veteran Mike Baughman, 65, who was featured in the previous AP article, said his claim was granted early this year after being denied three times. They all understand. Over time, swelling and inflammation of the bile duct can lead to cancer. losing nearly 711,000 between 95 and 00. I am an in country vet and 59 years old, your article wasvery informative. Vietnam was a lost war, and it was the first major lost war abroad in American history, Lembcke says. I hope you all know that if you were in country and have diabetes you are basically automatically qualified for soem degree of compensation their is a presumptive connection as there is with various cancers. My girl friend thought I lost it. Showing Commissioned in 1980 as a Behavioral Science Officer and went from 0-1 to 0-6 until I retired in 2005. Was an 11B grunt with the First Air Cav (C1/7) in 71/72. More than nine million Americans served from Nov. 1, 1955, to May 15, 1975. According to an estimate by the New York Times, there were 8.4 million Vietnam veterans who were still alive in the year 2000.Of those, 1.1 million had passed away.It was also estimated that there will be a total of 138,000 Vietnam veterans who will pass away every year from this point forward.Editorial note from the administrator of the website: For me, the estimate from two years ago of 610 thousand seems to make the most sense. Endemic in the rivers of Vietnam, the worms can easily be wiped out with a handful of pills early on, but left untreated they can live for decades without making their hosts sick. The average man who fought in World War II was 26 years of age. Did you know that is the day Ho Chi Minh died? Just finished writing a book about an incident in Vietnam that tells a story about how twisted and asymmetric that war was. We built houches in 1967. Somethings Ill never do: Their is a ton of it online everywhere. Hi Mike, By then, patients are often in tremendous pain, with just a few months to live. Born: 09/15/1946. As a mental health nurse in the 1970s who worked the suicide prevention and crisis unit for 4 years, I can tell you there were alot. if you check the http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com and search the Obits section, you can see two of the most recent: He lived for three days after that incident. Required fields are marked *. "I didn't think it would be me.". Welcome Home John. We are not dying off that fast. No way of accounting for one car accidents either. The disability compensation that some veterans get from the VA is factored into the average for veterans. Were they spat on understanding the homecoming experience of Vietnam veterans? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. We were driving home from the airport when I heard the news. Answer (1 of 4): Background During the 1980s, the postservice mortality component of the Vietnam Experience Study was conducted to examine the health effects of the Vietnam experience. As for VA disability, if someone was in combat or experienced documented stressors before or after Vietnam, AND, they are assessed in a VA claim related medical exam, AND they can get someone who was in their unit to verify the incidents, they may be successful in their claim for PTSD or injuries received in Nam. Sorry you feel that way. And yet our government which is one of the best in the world scares the crap out of me. Any numbers on this would be greatly appreciated. Can you send flowers anonymously through 1800flowers? Im a member of the Vietnam Veterans of American. so in 2190 days.from today, lucky to be a Vietnam veteran alive. Pu u Owaina in Hawaiian. That often precedes an Appeal. None of the enlisted grades have an average age of less than 20. No it does not mean that you are not a combat veteran. educated man, besidesrocknroll there is Classical Music, Jazz and other favorites (fact check note by Mike Brewer. i have been 100% dav. Often, just being in the TAOR, tactical area of responsibility will qualify you for a CIB? Im a former member of the 173rd Abn Bde-First (Army) in VNam from The Rock Yer pal, Ferraeri Bubba. We had it nice compared to the line Medics. What is the average age of a Vietnam veteran today? What seeds should I start indoors in February. So the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by They may look appealing but can actually take up to 5 years to schedule a hearing. Then compare that report to the Tripler Psychologist report of a (get this) 5 minute interview. It stopped short of urging them to get ultrasounds or other tests, saying there was currently no evidence the vets had higher infection rates than the general population. In Country, that empty feeling was with me for years, until I worked for the Dept. I was married for 30 years, then divorced now for 10. I had 6 close buddies in Vietnam. Before I married my loving wife, I told her of some of my experiences, but not all of them showed her all themedicine Jaundice, itchy skin, weight loss and other symptoms appear only when the disease is in its final stages. Brault The past 5 years has seen a ton of so called veteran statistics that are clearly confabulated. You must be a U.S. citizen or resident alien. -----In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. Then, on March 10, 2010 the Secretary makes a statement detailing a new plan to automate AO filings that will speed up the process. Stay alive & sane thanks to Valium I am still alive for now NOT from the V.A., I use my own Doctor. one thing they have mentioned is verified stressors. Theres one, just like the ones that we used, painted red, hanging from the ceiling at the Pima Air Museum. got rocketed big time because it was the start of the TET offensive. ) He was 15 years old and had been in-country nearly one month. The excess mortality, especially through motor vehicle accidents, suicide, homicide, and accidental poisonings, occurred mainly in the first 5 years after discharge from active duty and involved. that 6 months after I left everybody rotated back to the states, say reminds me of please pardon the French. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? Ive been trying for 17 years now. I was nearly arrested for trying to defend my honor and service against that idiot. returned from Vietnam , the clock has been ticking. He and I just emailed each other on Jan. 2, 2011. I welcomed 2 Marines back home and they returned the gesture. We met at the replacement battlalion hearing our names at roll call, couldnt believe we were meeting again Anyone can use no. Check out the VA web-site and your local Vet Center. Seventeen year-old James Calvin Ward was one of them. . . VA said not related to Agent Orange. Vallo Ach, the memories. I am unable to find the museums referred to, though I find a National Vietnam War Museum and a Veterans Memorial Museum. My room mate was nick named Budda in the 134th. Criteria for Eligibility I was in uniform for 26 years and served honorably and faithfully. He wishes the VA would do more to raise awareness about liver flukes and to encourage Vietnam veterans to get an ultrasound that can detect inflammation. My buddy Jim was stationed with MAG-11. Then ask, Do you think I might have been affected by this ambiguity between grounded reality in the tri canopy jungle and political reality at home which was counter to the troops welcome return (sarcasm). There is always the notable distinction between Era Vets and Combat Veterans. The latter group does in fact have an uncommonly high mortality rate, that includes approximately 115, ooo suicides between 1969 and 1989. If it is any comfort, one of my VVA pals reminds me that VVA only has a total of about 45,000 members nation wide, so it represents and very small part of all who served. Since 9/11, patriotic gestures, like wearing flag pins and saying, Thank you for your service, have become common, as more troops are sent to Iraq and Afghanistan. [email protected]. Scientific Wild Ass Guess. 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in VietNam ?!?!? He gets cremated and tossed into the ocean with no fanfare. HISTORY reviews and updates its content regularly to ensure it is complete and accurate. "Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 54 years old." Patsy T. Mink, (U.S. House of Rep-Hawaii) get honored with a burial in Punchbowl. Gerry Wiggins, who served in Vietnam from 1968 to 1969, has already lost friends to the disease. Recently, a local widow of a serviceman received a shock when. Some pilots, career men and members of elite units may have been much older. have similar data. The Vietnam War lasted from 1964-1973the longest war in American history. And approximately 164,000 Americans who served at sea in Vietnam waters are alive today. C.I.B. HEROLD, W.Va. A half century after serving in Vietnam, hundreds of veterans have a new reason to believe they may be dying from a silent bullet test results show some men may have been infected by a slow-killing parasite while fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia. It has been a great experience. "I was in a state of shock," he said. Give me a week. ps He graduated from Notre Dame prior to being commissioned, and after his service returned to law school to cash in his educational benefits. I found out later that most of the men who enlisted for 4 years volunteeredfor I take ware hearing aids and to this day Im always vigilant when Im out always "But until further research, a recommendation cannot be made either way.". Ill never ware a baseball cap again ever! Queleparece is a website that writes about many topics of interest to you, a blog that shares knowledge and insights useful to everyone in many fields. Thank You. Mike I was on the USS America CVA 66 in 1970 and as such am part of the Blue Water Navy that is being shunned by the VA and congress. To me, It means today is a fresh start and we have one more chance at having a normal life. I sorts blended in until I retired in 2003 and joined the CT First Cav Assoc and finally met groundpounders like muself. or the Central Highlands and operations in between. So the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by 2025. looking around. Veterans returning from Vietnam were met with an institutional response marked by indifference. We returned home to an uncertain future with no skills needed in the civilian world, we would make our way the best we could in this Listed here are the four Vietnam veterans with the youngest ages. (Reuters Health) - Higher than average death rates among Vietnam War veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) suggest that combat trauma may still be affecting veterans' health even decades after the war, according to a new study. Hi Mike. THERS IS ONLY ONE KIND OF COMBAT VET..ONEWHOWAS IN COMBAT. Can you put dead flowers in food waste bin? FACT CHECK: We strive for accuracy and fairness. Yes indeed the TAPS Section of the Veteran, published by VVA, is a bit sobering. Guy C. Lamunyon 101st Airborne 1971 So, lets say there were not more, just, alot. It is still tragic. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? from actual combat vets but dont know that for a fact in any case that does seem rather high. have served in-country was: 9,492,958. During that year, 1,928 soldiers died in the Vietnam War. I am unable to find the museum websites referred to, though I find a National War Museum and a Veterans Memorial Museum. We returned back to NY on Jan. 2, 1968. Im sure the Agent Orange was the cause of most health issues. Well, one thing to remember is that not all Vietnam veterans were born in 1945 or later. I am 62, and rated 100% with Agent Orange medical issues. Some may have escaped the digs and harsh words and that is good but make no mistake those things did happen. What does it mean to give someone their flowers while they live? The odd thing, I was at Tripler Hospital today and learned something interesting. My English teaching assistant at the U of A, in 1971, called me a baby killer, and spat on the ground. What amazes me however is that so many of my comrades who served in Vietnam and who suffer from many of the maladies associated with this war would serve again. As of the last Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. This figure far exceeded the expected suicide ratio when balanced by demographics and applied to ONLY those that had served in country. Vietnam for two tours. Soon we won't have any World War II Veterans remaining. Thanks for the clarification. If this jogs someones memory than please write on this blog so we can perhaps chat sometime. None of that, he says, prepared me for the reception at home upon our return.. We spent more forward deployed time than the WW2 vets, we never lost a major battle, we were greeted with the most abuse and disdain from the country we had served than any previous generation of veteran, and we were the genesis of all war-fighting doctrine today. Thank you. results. If true, 390 VN vets die a day so in 2,190 days from today, ive been asked a few times over the years if im a combat vet. Sorry about the delay here in answering. As of the year 2015, around 1,600 of those individuals were still considered unaccounted for. The Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA), which is part of the United States Department of Defense, reports that there were a total of 687 American prisoners of war who survived the Vietnam War. One tactic employed was the use of booby traps, and to this day, there are several tunnels and ambushes that have been preserved. Local boards called men classified 1-A, 18-1/2 through 25 years old, oldest first. My husband is former Marine (in Vietnam 1966-67) and diagnosed with Parkinsons, diabetes, etc. This is hard to believe, Born: 01/29/1945. This is around 9.7 percent of the generation at the time. civilian world and create a new life for ourselves. While the economy after World War II was one of the most robust in American history, during and after Vietnam the nation was in a death spiral of stagflation and economic malaise. i just learned, they are going to give me 40% for a couple things. you guys read to many bullshit books!!! Deborah Grassman, who has cared for 10,000 dying vets as a hospice nurse practitioner at the V.A. Dear Friends abd fellow vets, When my wife and I go to a restaurant I always ask for a booth or table by the wall, so I can see whats going on around me. Roughly 300-thousand veterans have died from Agent Orange exposure -- that's almost five times as many as the 58-thousand who died in combat. That in a sense is a violation of Federal law and should be attacked by those with means to do so. Hopefully since most of us are inot our 60s now we have past the heart attacks and cancers that seem to get you in the 50s and maybe the rate will now slow. Finally after 10 months found a job,human resources person said that they didnot mind hiring Vietnam Veterans .as long as I was not drug addict or involved in any war attrocities. They have since been removed and for now he's doing well. The Vietnam War lasted from 1964-1973the longest war in American history until it was overtaken by the one in Afghanistanand servicemen typically did one-year tours of duty. Be careful of Appeals. She was right. I went fucking ballistic. Bill. They quickly filed paperwork with the Department of Veterans Affairs, or VA, for disability payments. This is not to say that we werent casualties of other things like Agent Orange and things we probaby dont even know about, but the fact remains, we are NOT dying off at a disproporttionate rate, we are NOT more suicidal that other generations of combat vets, and we KNOW who the real Vietnam Vets were (those on the ground). (Reuters Health) - Higher than average death rates among VietnamWar veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) suggest that combat trauma may still be affecting veterans' health even decades after the war, according to a new study. OK I also am wary of statistics thrown out on the web, being a former Marine and a Viet Nam Vet I looked up the numbers from one of the sources indicated.. found that the Naval Health Institute who crunches no. The men who were drafted served and did their jobs well they were all soldiers. Semper Fi. By June, Wowwk had been wounded twicethe second time seriouslyand was sent back to the United States for treatment at Bostons Chelsea Naval Hospital. Mike, Vietnam veterans are dying at the rate of 390 deaths each day. Two of my long-time friends are in-country veterans. A fellow soldier in the 134th assault helicopter company with me shot and killed himself just down the hall from where I slept while I was sleeping. Some, like Wowwk, say they had invectives hurled their way; others, like naval officer Ford Cole, remember being spit on. It means Hill of Sacrifice. . The ages of those who served in Vietnam varied anywhere from 55 to 97 years old. Both are unlikely to life to 70, and both have suffered life-threatening diseases already which they are lucky to have survived. However, the unit is most well-known for its exploits during the Vietnam War, which took place between 1955 and 1975. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. I get to testify and present them with the story of a 20 y/o medic carrying dead and wounded around for 14 months in country. Thanks for your added comment I was in Artillery had my hands on a lot of weapons from the 105, 155, 175mm guns up to the 8inch Howitzer, and all the other weapons in between. im a vietnam vet.i was in the army from 1964 1967.i went to vietnam in october 1965-1966.i was in charlie , company.2-16,infantry, rangers.we fought in many battles.the biggest was operation abilene,april 11th,1966.we had 80% csaulties.i was awarded the silver star,and purple heart for that battle.i became a detroit poilce officer after i left the army.i retired,and moved to san diego ca,after retirment.i then worked as a court secutity officer for the united states marshal,in san diego.i had a very seroius heart attack,and several strokes.im retired now.im a life member of the vietnam veterans of america,life member of the D.A.V. What happens if you eat too many brussel sprouts? More answers below James Cain 2023 A&E Television Networks, LLC. Grenada, Beirut Marine Barracks Bombing, Panama Invasion, and Gulf War Veterans will all start dying in large numbers. that were projected in 2000 to 2010? at the time i wasnt concerned, though, some of the guys working as fos, who were planning on a military career, were trying to get cibs. Nearly three out of four of those cases were also denied, even though the government posted a warning on its website this year saying veterans who ate raw or undercooked freshwater fish while in Vietnam might be at risk. am i misrepresenting myself, id really like to know. But for the time being, we will just all hang together here and beat the odds. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? I received a memo from the Virginia VA dated March 9, 2010 stating that although VA was required to publish the new regulation by March 12, 2010 (in accordance with the Agent Orange Act of 1991 stipulating timeframes for action), VA would be unable to meet that date. Required fields are marked *. what does that tell u? The following are some Yes some do fabricate stuff. I was transfered to the 201st aviation co. in Nha Trang in 1972 to finnish my tour . Thats 390 per day. Did not know his name but I couldnt bring myself to walk by his A/O after this happened. The Vietnam veterans, we couldnt believe it. Where is the museum and website referred to as the source of the figure 850,000 living Vietnam veterans? What percentage of Vietnam veterans actually saw combat? Northport VA Medical Center spokesman Christopher Goodman confirmed the New York facility collected the samples and sent them to the lab. If true, 390 VN vets die a day. Nice Web. Ant help would be greatly appreciated. And instead of getting return peace fingers, I got the middle finger.. So long ago-time tames the memories and makes them Kind!!!! I may have some choice words to express as well. Like I always said .we died in Nam , just havent fallen over yet.Too bad all the imposters dont die just as quick or quicker. Even though thousands served with the Infantry units as FOs, Dog Handlers, EOD etc. Im going to put that review officer in my shoes as a 20 y/o medic. The reporting found that about 700 veterans with cholangiocarcinoma have been seen by the VA in the past 15 years. We could not understand getting letters from school kids, says Langenus, also a veteran of Desert Storm. Statistics show that at least five men killed in Vietnam were sixteen years old, and at least 12 were seventeen years old. The aircraft ( helicopter ) went down experiencing mechanical problems. I was spat on in Chicago in Lincoln Park in 1969. Peter Langenus, today the Commander of VFW Post 653 in New Canaan, Connecticut, commanded Delta Company, 3rd Battalion/7th Infantry, 199th Light Infantry Brigade from 1969-70. I am rated 100% disabled and damn happy to be privileged and capable of pushing out this small Blog. During the Vietnam War, a total of 9,087,000 military people were on active service, with over 2,709,000 Americans serving in Vietnam. I remember tet that was no picnic for rear echelon, and being in a chopper,those m60s werent there for show. i think anyone that went to vietnam should go to a va hospital & get checked out. Not everyone boosts about how there home comming was and there are those who would like to leave that chapter behind them. 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This was partly due to the logistics of the never-ending conflict. Garwood is sometimes identified as the last documented American prisoner of war from the Vietnam War. that stuff got into everything -even breathing it in did a # on everyone that is how the guys in the navy got it. In 2018, the median income of Vietnam veterans and that of non-veterans was almost equivalent: It was significantly lower for veterans, who had served their country between the ages of 63 and 78 at the time, coming in at $63,300 as opposed to the average of $65,000 for nonveterans. Last name: 65-66 and Fed-67. Any anecdotal evidence that has come my way over the years is not from books. The Obituaries in the Veteran Magazine published by Vietnam Veterans of America, a highly credible organization, have a long list of birthdays between 1946-50. Hundreds of veterans have been infected by a slow-killing parasite while fighting in Southeast Asia. He was the youngest American service member to be killed in the Vietnam War. Quick Answer: What Can I Learn From A Veteran? What are Vietnam veterans dying from? The obituarities almostevery day in our area list someone who served in Vietnam. When I returned to the U.S. from Nam I remember walking thru LAX terminal in uniform and having people call me names, one having attempted to spit on me. Protestors demonstrate for full benefits for all US veterans, including Vietnam War veterans in July, 1974. information Im used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets. Dan Bullock (December 21, 1953 June 7, 1969) was a United States Marine and the youngest U.S. serviceman killed in action during the Vietnam War, dying at the age of 15. Do you mean more information about Agent Orange? statistics that are at once depressing yet in a larger sense should give you a HUGE SENSE OF PRIDE. Age: 84. I have been searching a long time for information on people who could help me find and interview pilots of either the Navy or Air Force who took part in Operation Rolling thiunder or Operation LineBacker 1and2. Pete, be sure to ask your DAV guy if he thinks you have exhausted the Reconsideration process. The program is for federal, state and local communities, Veterans' organizations and other nongovernmental organizations. good info on your post, keep up the good work! For myself I always felt that the millions of men who were in uniform before me returned to civilian life, I could do the same, when I went into the army, I was Pete. The Iraqui and Afghan war vets are getting PTSD Tx. At the same time all my friends whom never served had good jobs and new cars etc. Deeds need to be done in addition to words, says Wowwk, who is 100 percent disabled from his Vietnam wounds. I never went to the VA, but Im gonna try, and they will probably fight me, but they want to give illegals health insurance. Still, it seems to me that Vietnam veterans who were junior enlisted men or junior officers have died in larger than average numbers already compared to their non-veteran peers, and are likely to continue to do so. But for claims, I have found the DAV (I have to join) to be a real kick ass outfit. I came home in 69, my hair fell our,got big pustuals on my back, and skin problems immediately. A lot of guys found themselves in the sh-t and were not grunts. After reading your article, were lucky to have him. Punchbowl National Cemetery of the Pacific is called. What is the average lifespan of a veteran? Thank god for them. Jerry Engel/New York Post Archives/NYP Holdings, Inc./Getty Images, The society really was ill-prepared to give these guys what they deserved, says Christian Appy, professor of History at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and author of three books on Vietnam. SFC (Ret.) they have in all wars. Had to fight the VA for years , Diabetes , neropathony and heart attack 14 years ago. he was back home in Texas he made it. But what are you doing in addition to saying thank you?. He was among those who got the call. and not one guy in my group had ever said that they were spit upon!! Very good but alarming article. I always say welcome home to a vietnam vet. Food for thought. Age: 77. Twenty-one-year-old Steven A. Wowwk arrived as an infantryman in the Armys First Cavalry Division in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam in early January 1969 to fight in an escalating and increasingly unwinnable war. Wished I knew who implanted it. 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